my friend and i are interested in marketing kombucha where we live because the only commercial variety is GT's at $4 a bottle. does anyone know how GT's brews theirs? All I've ever seen are 5 gallon plastic FDA fermenting buckets, we want to stay away from that, so I was wondering the options. ALSO....the whole health inspection thing, anybody have any experience with that?
Loaded questions here! thanks for your time!
Loaded questions here! thanks for your time!
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 6:07 PMHi
I saw your post was curious, I have been thinking about mass producing and was wondering about the specifics.
Steve
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 9:27 PMFour dollars a bottle eh? Here it is right at five with tax.
Long gone are the days when a GT was $2.50 in Arkansas. (sigh)
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 11:09 AMHmmmm the only large (5 gallon+) glass jars i could find has a small opening.
I wonder if it would be economical to pick up some of those (called carboys) and take them to a glass cutter to chop the top off?
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 8:29 PMheh.. GT's is between $3 and $4 here in and around the Boston area..
anyway.. the folks making Katalyst Kombucha ( www.katalystkombucha.com/ ) use big 2.5 gallon glass jars, which I understand they sell.. but I believe it's a local thing.. like you'd have to go pick it up (they do sell a kit though for $50).
so somewhere out there in the ether, there are large glass jars available..
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 9:08 AMI think the production is only one hurdle. Distribution and marketing must be pretty crazy expensive. There are several commercial kombuchas out there but GTs is one of the few that is readily available. Kombucha Wonder Drink was the first one I tried and my favorite but it's still hard to get that. I guess the beauty of the kombucha is anyone can make it! I know that was the understatement of the year but my guess is mass production of kombucha is much more difficult than just the production part.
having said that, you can get 5-gallon glass carboys like the ones in beer making kits
www.wineandhop.com/CatalogB...its.shtml
www.wineandcake.com/browse.c...,760.html
www.amazon.com/Gallon-Gla.../B000E60GYK -
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 9:20 AMand here's one that's 15 gallons
www.ebrew.com/fermenters/...s.htm#DEM-15
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 1:03 PMIf you include an aerator, you don't need to cut it.
Though I'm thinkin that at the volume that GT makes, they must be using large plastic or stainless fermenters, probably of the very large capacity size.
I've read that for commercial production, they use a powdered culture that doesn't produce a scoby. It's faster and a more "controlled" and consistent product. But who knows that GT is doing in their warehouses. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 2:41 AMskooter,
thanks for all your helpful posts! where did you hear about the use of powdered scoby? do you know where it might be available?
also, do you think brewing in stainless steel is as good as glass?
thanks!
doug
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:13 AMIf it doesn't form a scoby, how can people use a bottle of GT's to start their own? -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:34 PMLike I said, I have no idea what GTs uses. But just because the powdered stuff is intended for a fast fermentation and doesn't form a scoby, doesn't mean it's incapable of doing so. As many people have reported, including my own experience, trying to get a viable culture out of a GT starter takes considerable time.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 7:39 AMfor kicks, I ran an experiment with GT's. I added a bottle of the original (no juice) to a 1 quart mason jar with some left over tea made for separate batch.
After about 2 weeks, I've got a scoby about 1/4 inch thick and covering the entire surface area of the bottle.
::yay::
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 8:03 AMis stainless steel okay to use? cause if so it would make buying a large container a *lot* easier to find and cheaper as well. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 11:11 AMI wouldn't use anything metal or plastic for anything you ferment or store. for that matter, I wouldn't cook in metal pots either.. I personally am actually a living foods freak, so the only thing I heat/cook is tea/water. Regardless, I wouldn't.
The most obvious affect is taste. The not so obvious affect is leaching of god knows what. Check the fabulous fermentation tribe for more info. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 8:35 AMand how much are 15 gallon Glass containers?
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 11:43 AMStainless steel works great as a first fermenter. you can get giant brew kettles with an industrial spichot. The problem with really large batches is that if something goes wrong you have a really large batch of bad stuff. brew in 2-4 gallon containers and its a lot easier to maintain, move, and cook etc....
also you have to be able to get the babies out so a carboy will not work.
brew kettles:
www.northernbrewer.com/kettles.html
large glass containers:
www.infused-vodka.com/
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:50 PMI use to work for Whole Foods Market in nutrition for a number of years. I have also been brewing Kombucha for a while. When I first started out I had a lot of questions. Also some of the customers came in asking me some questions I did not know how to answer at the time. So I called up GT and left a message. He him self called me back the next day and answered most of my questions. Very nice guy! I met him back in 2001 in SF where he was demoing his product at a health food store I worked at.
anyhow...
He said the reason his batches take 30 days is because of the size. He brews in huge vats. Not sure what they are made of? Just know that they are big and because of this it takes longer. He dose use a culture. None of that powder stuff some mentioned above.
Kombucha 2000 brand brews in gallon size glass jugs! Can you even imagine brewing hundreds of these to bottle up!? I spoke to the owner at a trade show some years ago. He said that he had found that the taste and quality comes out better using the smaller size brewing containers.
I was pretty serous about starting a kombucha business a few years ago. The market in LA, CA. was and is very saturated. And after doing the math, I decided the over head would not be worth the risk. But in a place where the market is not so huge, I am sure it would not be much of a risk.
happyherbalist.com sells 2 gal and i think 5 gal. ceramic containers with spigots. Great company. I got my 1st cultures from them. Based in Santa Cruz.
It would be a good idea to start selling at Farmers markets to see what the market is like. Get the word out on the streets about your product. You could see if some healthy smoothy bars or healthy organic restaurants would be interested in buying your product. It will be much easier to get your product into a co-op vs a big retailer like Whole Foods or Wild Oats.
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:18 PMI concur about Happy Herbalist. That's where I got my first culture and Ed is a great guy with a wealth of information. He also participates on the original_kombucha yahoo group, and often takes questions.
My question for you, paxa, did GTs Dave say what he was using for brewing vats? I can't imagine he's using glass or ceramic.
Also, they sell the mercury/lead free 2.5 gallon ceramic water containers (with spigot) at Rainbow, as well as the one gallon glass jars.
I was at the Ferry Building''s Farmers Market (S.F.) this weekend, and in chatting with some folks from santa cruz running a vegan wraps booth, said that they've never seen someone selling kombucha. And although they'd considered it, decided not to because it was not really their thing. Considering the crowd I'd think it would go well and got information about getting booth space. Though I have to admit I very seriously doubt I would ever do such a thing. But it's worth exploring.
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