Starting a batch from some GT's

topic posted Tue, March 14, 2006 - 11:16 AM by  *T*
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So, Saturday, I had to bottles of GT's at home so I decided to attempt to start my own batch. Now, what I expected was for it to kind of form the way a baby forms, as a thin layer on top... what I have to far is a small lump with little danglys (kind of like a jellyfish) but the top looks kind of frothy. Thats the best word I think to describe it. I think its solid, but it doesn't look smooth at all. Is that ok? Is that how it should be happening?
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    its the yeast

    Tue, March 14, 2006 - 1:42 PM
    I like to think of the jellyfish as roots looking for nutrients.
    • Re: its the yeast

      Tue, March 14, 2006 - 1:52 PM
      thats what I thought with the danglys, that happens often anyways with the momma cultures) it was the frothy looking top that i wasn't so sure about. :) Its actually bigger than I thought it would be after just 3 days.
  • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

    Wed, March 22, 2006 - 9:36 AM
    SUCCESS!!! So I just finished DRINKING my first batch of tea that was stared from a bottle and a half of GT's. It tasted great, I have a nice pretty healthy looking bucha and batch number 2 is on its 3rd day of brewing! Hooray! Now I just need to get enough staggered batched brewing that I always have some ready to drink!
    • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

      Mon, April 3, 2006 - 11:56 AM
      Would you mind sharing your recipe using just the GT's? I'd like to get started from scratch this way and slowly build up my own batch. Thanks!
      • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

        Mon, April 3, 2006 - 12:22 PM
        It was actually really easy. I now have 2 healthy batches going from that 1st batch.

        My recipe: 12 cups of water (I use filtered tap water) bring to a boil. add 1 cup of white sugar, still until dissolved and remove from heat. add 6 black tea bags and let steep for 15 minutes. Let cool to room temperature. (make sure your GT's is room temperature also) In a large glass jar pour your tea and your bottle of gt's. (I actually used a bottle and a half just cause thats what i had on hand) Cover with a paper towel (rubber band it on) and let it go!! in a bit more than a week you will have a THIN little bucha floating on top.

        When mine was first growing, it looked wrong in so many ways. It grew in patches that joined together, not in a smooth layer. It also got a patch of weird slimy stuff that fell off when I poured that first batch into another container, becuase of that patch that first one has a hole in it but the baby it produced didn't. I also didn't try separating ANYTHING until this 3rd batch that I did. The second batch didn't seem to produce a baby, the 3rd one did though.

        Good luck!! :D
  • Jim
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    Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

    Thu, May 18, 2006 - 8:38 PM
    Today I just started my first batch using a bottle of "High Country Kombucha" I found at a really good health food store. I'm pretty excited to see how it turns out. I hope I have as much luck as you did. I tried to stick to your recipe as closely as possible - a cup of sugar, a gallon of water, 6 bags of black tea, and a 16 ounce bottle of kombucha tea with active cultures. wish me luck.
    • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

      Thu, May 18, 2006 - 8:52 PM
      Right on!! I recently upped my sugar to 2 cups and I think the end result is a better flavor. My 'bucha also is growing a LOT faster with more sugar to eat!

      Let us know how it goes!!
      • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

        Fri, May 19, 2006 - 3:42 PM
        Just an update for whomever might be interested. Started my very first batch w/ 2 bottles of GT' Original and no momma. Let it go for several weeks (maybe 3) and ended up with a good thin scoby. Until recently, the weather in LA has been pretty cool so I think it grew a little slow. Anyways, bottled the tea in Grolsch bottles w/ a little grape juice and left them out for a few days b/4 putting them in the fridge. Tastes GREAT. Very close to the storebought GT's grape which is my favorite. Pretty fizzy and not as tangy, but I have a feeling my second and third batches will be better since I 'll be starting with my homegrown momma instead of nothing. BTW, my second batch is progressing way faster.
        • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

          Mon, June 26, 2006 - 9:38 AM
          Hey there, I am trying to do the same. But cant get the fizz going. Does the bottling really help? I tried bottling in the GT bottle, but maybe it wasnt as tight as the groelsh bottles you use. Need to get that fizz. Let me know how it worked for you? Thanks!
          • fizz action

            Sat, July 1, 2006 - 11:24 PM
            as i understand it, the fizz happens in the bottles by adding a bit more sugar when you bottle. this gives the little guys something to chew on so that they produce some more gas. a tight seal is important, too. :)
            • Re: fizz action

              Sun, August 13, 2006 - 11:29 AM
              Mine did not need any sugar i opened mine in 3 days very carefuly and it blew 3/4 of the tea out the bottle. strange though that happened in only one out of six bottles.
      • Jim
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        Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

        Sat, June 10, 2006 - 11:13 PM
        Well, It's been a few weeks now and it's doing really well. I had to be patient though. It takes a bit longer and doesn't produce babies as quickly as starting it from a colony, but the end result is just as good.
    • Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

      Mon, July 3, 2006 - 8:31 PM
      Jim, how does the taste of 'High Country' compare with 'GT's'? I haven't tasted either. Can't get it here in Georgia so I have to order it over the internet. I think I would like a sweeter taste as opposed to the vinegary taste that so many attribute to the GT's.

      I tried to order some from the local health food store, but they can't get the GT's. The distributor, they say, is kind of flaky.
      • Jim
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        Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

        Thu, July 6, 2006 - 11:59 PM
        To be perfectly honest, I've never actually tasted High Country. I just used it to start a culture. But I remember it was darker than GTs and smelled very vinegary. If I were you I'd get a culture and start brewing your own. it's the best way to get the best tasting kombucha.
        • Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

          Fri, July 7, 2006 - 7:27 PM
          Gts has gotten more vinegary lately.....I think theyre brewing it too long. I think it IS becoming vinegar. Sometimes when I drink Gts now it will give me heartburn...never used to do that before. I would like it to be a little lighter. I forget the brand name but theres a really good one in a small plastic bottle (wish it was glass) called manchurian something or other..and its REALLY good! its just right. Tho theres some other brand in glass thats too weak. and a new one i had with aloe juice in it thats really good!
          Shekinah
          • Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

            Sun, July 9, 2006 - 12:37 AM
            Thanks, Guys -

            I just wated to know how kombucha was supposed to taste before I started my first batch. But, alas, I couldn't wait. I prepared a concoction using the Yogi Tea Kombucha teabags I found in the local Kroger supermarket. I prepared the sweet tea mixture as described above. Then I boiled, and cooled additional water, then steeped a Kombucha teabag for about 3 hrs. After which, I added this to the sweet tea mixture. It's been going for about 5 days and I have a white froth formed all over the top. It smells sort of like a hard cider, but moving towards the vinegar. So, seems as though I'll be swilling my own kombucha drink soon. I couldn't have done it without your help
            • OM
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              Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

              Sun, July 9, 2006 - 10:28 AM
              Hi,

              If I am reading your post correctly the only Kombucha in your mix is the Kombucha in a Yogi Tea Bag. I seriously doubt that will make Kombucha. If it does not then you do not have Kombucha you have a very good chance of having a dangerous to your health contaminated tea....Plain tea with sugar left out overnight can develop mold and bacterial contamination.....

              You need Kombucha to make Kombucha! Please be very careful with whatever that is you are brewing. It would be much better to get some real Kombucha to start with. It is the acidic Kombucha and some Kombucha tea to start with that keeps the tea, sugar, water mixture from becoming contaminated. Without the Kombucha it will become contaminated and unsafe to drink.

              Peace, Love and Harmony,
              Bev
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              Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

              Sun, July 9, 2006 - 11:50 PM

              > Then I boiled, and cooled additional water, then steeped a Kombucha teabag for about 3 hrs. After which, I added this to the sweet tea mixture.

              > So, seems as though I'll be swilling my own kombucha drink soon. I couldn't have done it without your help

              Um... If I understand correctly what you are doing, you do not actually have any live Kombucha cultures. So the only "kombucha" you put in was made from a tea bag? Is this right? I would be very surprised, if now downright shocked, to find that live Kombucha could live in a completely dried out teabag. Now, maybe I'm wrong and it's more like yeast, which can go dormant and you can buy dried out and kept at room temperature. But if so, this is the first I have heard of it.

              So you are culturing something, but what it is is anybody's guess. I would not trust the results, myself. Please consider getting a starter from someone, or buying some bottled Kombucha that has not been pasteurized.

              Good luck!
              • Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

                Mon, July 10, 2006 - 8:47 PM
                Yeah, that's right. When you don't have money, you take risks. If I could afford it, I would buy a kit, some nice jars, and a case of kombucha drink over the internet. (I have yet to find any in Georgia, even in the Atlanta health and wholefoods markets.) But I don't have money, so I'm trying what I have access to.
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                  Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

                  Tue, July 11, 2006 - 3:12 PM

                  The point is that what you are growing is whatever is in your air. It may be fine, or it may not. I personally have successfully grown sourdough, cultured milk, and hard cider by a similar method. However, what worries me is that some of the articles I have read say that the reason things like sourdough and cultured milk products are safer is that the medium is preferential to those cultures. Sugared tea is not preferential -- anything will happily grow in it. That is why I am warning you, not to try and get you to spend money, but rather because I am concerned you may end up drinking something unpredictable.

                  Good luck and I wish you well, just be careful out there!
            • Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

              Mon, May 21, 2007 - 10:16 AM
              I just bottled my first batch of Kombutcha. I used 4 bags black tea and two bags lemon Green tea and one cup sugar to a half gallon of watter. I used a little extra water to cool it to room temp. After the batched finnished brewing I added an aditional cup and a half of sugar and crushed some Ginger in a garlic press to release the juice. The finished product is very similar to a mikes hard lemonade? It tastes slightly alchoholic dont know if it is supposed to...I dont think there is any alchohol in it. Smells a lot like vinnegar but has a nice light fuity taste, Its quite carbonated. Im thinking of adding a touch of lemmon juice, but it tastes fairly good as it sits. Can anyone tell me if this is how its supposed to taste? LOL
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            Re: Still Trying to Get Started in Georgia

            Sat, February 10, 2007 - 10:42 AM
            I Love Manchurian!!! I have just recieved a couple of 2 gallon jars from the web and i just hit whole foods and got the last bottle of manchurian. I am sooo excited!!!
  • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

    Mon, October 23, 2006 - 9:06 AM
    I just recently discovered Kombucha at a local natural foods store, thanks to some friends visiting CT from Cali. After drinking it for a couple days, I've never felt so good. I recommended some to a roommate who was feeling nauseated, and he swears by it too now. I was very thrilled to discover people are making it from GT's, and am currently brewing a small 1/2 gallon batch. Some of my concerns are as follows:

    I used tap water, but boiled it first. Will this be a problem? (As opposed to using spring or filtered?)
    I used 5 bags, and didn't let it steep quite as long. I used a generic black irish tea and a couple bags of green.
    It's been since last wednesday, and there's definitely a little bucha booger floating up there. I tasted a little today. still tastes a bit sweet but has a vinegary smell, I think it's working. Should I use the first batch, or wait til the bucha is full-sized and start a new one before drinking?
    Progress was going slow, then I read about temperature variables. I moved it upstairs to my girlfriend's room (she doesn't smoke) where it's signifigantly warmer than where I had it in the downstairs pantry. It was about 60 or so degrees in there, and now it's around 80. Hopefully this will increase the progress.
    I aquired a 1 gallon cherry jar, sterilized it with boiling water and everything.. should I transfer to this jar? Is 1 gallon a better size, or is it just that 1/2 gallon will be too small of an ammount between batches? I want to get it going to where I have a staggered batch every week, and have some every day.
    My girlfriend is VERY moody and sociopathic, and since I got her to drink a couple bottles, we've both noticed changes in her mood those days. She was MUCH cheerier and less depressed. I'm really excited about all this and hope it works out.
    When bottling, what juices and fruits are ok to add, so it won't kill the culture but produce varients in flavor?
    How long should I let it go before starting another batch, since this is started from GT's. The Bucha booger is about the size of a silver dollar right now.

    Any advice would be tremendous! Thanks to everyone in this and other posts for providing so much info!!
    • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

      Mon, October 23, 2006 - 11:09 AM
      I would let your first batch go good and tart. Really, the fist batch is more to develop the mother than to create the perfect tasting brew. When its ready, drink 1/2 use the other 1/2 in the gallon jar and do it again :) By the end of round 2 you should have a good sized momma. Definitely go by taste, not my time. Different temps and weather changes make my batched brew drastically differently :)

      Good to hear all the good its doing you guys!!
      • Mold or no?

        Thu, January 11, 2007 - 2:01 PM
        Okay, this is weird. Maybe someone can tell me what I should do. I started a batch of Kombucha from GT's, let it sit for a couple weeks, then poured half out and added half fresh tea and sugar. The bucha was going fine, then one day the third week in I noticed what I thought was a spot of whitish or greenish mold. It wasn't shiny like the rest of the batch, and I was kind of bummed because I didn't want to start all over again from scratch. So I covered it back up and just forgot about it for a while. Several weeks later I was like, well, time to start over.. so I took the jar out and the bucha is HUGE now, but I don't know if it's safe to drink, or even keep. The little spot is still there, and still isn't shiny, but it hasn't grown or spread through the batch. I also tasted just a bit with a straw, and it is pretty sour and not sweet hardly at all, which I heard is another sign of the batch not going right. I don't want to take any chances, but is there any way to salvage this batch? I am posting pictures of the spot and the batch itself for further scrutiny. ANY advice would help! Thank you.

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        • Re: Mold or no?

          Thu, January 11, 2007 - 2:04 PM
          Ok, I cant tell from the pictures BUT, if you even THINK its mold, chuck it all. Dont risk it!!

          It was probably really sour becuase it went for too long. That COULD be ok.

          Start over, make sure your temperatures are good and that you have coverend your jar well.
          • Re: Mold or no?

            Sat, January 13, 2007 - 3:55 PM
            It's been a while since I cultivated the tea, but I was doing it rather steadily for about 5 years. if you find a spot of mold next time, just wash it off with some distilled (or boiled & cooled water). or you can cut it off too. then put it in a fresh batch of tea. you might also try just straight green tea instead of black tea. the babies seem to like that better and grow large & almost white. Discard the mother if there is still mold on her and keep the baby.
            • Re: Mold or no?

              Fri, January 26, 2007 - 10:32 AM
              OK, so I took some advice. The "mold" got continuously smaller until I realized it was absolutely dead. I took out the scoby, washed it with purified cool water, and then made a batch of green tea this time. I cut off the area affected by the tiny spot of mold (which by then was half the size it was in the picture I posted) and then just cut the whole thing completely in half. Then I put both halves of the scoby each into a gallon of fresh green tea. The thing I didn't do was I didn't let it cool completely before adding it. It was still warm, probably in the 70s. I just checked and after only 3 days, the perimeter of the jar has a transparent whitish new scoby growing around the chopped in half one! (I felt bad chopping it in two, but I apologized to it afterwards.) Anyway, both jars now have a large new scoby growing around the half that is cut up. I think this is looking really good and much healthier, no giant weird bubble in the middle, and after only a few days, it really tastes good! Much fizzier than with the black tea. On the box of green organic tea I used, it said Caffeine free, though. I thought green tea had just LESS caffeine than black? Not none? It's not decafinated. But it is pretty poorly written in english, because it's a chinese brand. Anyway, it's working, apparently. I already like the taste of it, is it okay to drink now or should I wait 10 more days? I already took a couple huge chugs from each jar. Both are delicious! :)

              By the way, thanks to everyone in this post. I really learned so much, and Kombucha is definitely something you want to share with others once you find out about it's amazing properties. Thanks again.
              • Re: Mold or no?

                Fri, January 26, 2007 - 11:49 AM
                I would let it go at least a few more days? Not sure why, it just seems like it needs more timme to get all healthy for you... lol, so scientific, huh? Haha.
              • Re: Mold or no?

                Fri, January 26, 2007 - 5:14 PM
                Yay! Glad to know your scoby is recovering nicely. =)

                I've been wondering...I think the Kombucha scobys benefit from the nutrients in the Green Tea too. From what I've learned, they grow much prettier and have the nice fizziness when brewed with Green Tea over Black.
        • Yes, mold

          Sat, January 13, 2007 - 7:32 PM
          Woah! The only pic I can see the specific mold spot in is the 1st one, and it does look like mold to me. Your 'spore' noteably doesn't look like any kombucha I've ever seen before! It looks like it's rising out of the liquid? Not typical of a healthy kombucha.

          I would definately toss whatever the mutant is that it seems like you're brewing. It looks pretty scary to me. I wouldn't drink it!

          Better luck on your next batch. :)
          • Kombucha Rising

            Mon, January 15, 2007 - 2:14 PM
            I can't speak to the mold issue; I've never seen it on a scoby up close. I have however seen the floating phenomenon.
            A couple of kombucha cultures that I tend create that brown skin as they float quite a bit above the surface, and they're fine. A pocket of gas is created between layers of the pad and it draws the whole colony up; I assume that it's because they like to breathe oxygen.

            Photo of a culture I tend looks similar to those above:
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            • just started in PA

              Wed, February 7, 2007 - 7:25 PM
              jelly is definitely stil floating, omg. i think the potencial baby has commited suicide. however i still trying to push it back to the bottom. anyway we experience with blueberry black tea, see whassap. if any baby need a curious home we are happy to tips the postman.
  • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

    Fri, May 18, 2007 - 4:02 PM
    Hi there! Last year I followed the directions in this post and was successful in starting a batch with the GT's but I let it go. I've been trying again with everything in perfect order. I even have heaters keeping the temp about 80 degrees constantly. Ive tried 4 batches now from GT's since March and nothing happens. It bubbles for about a week and then nothing. Im suspicious that the GT processing has been changed so that you cant make new batches with it. Have you heard anything like that? Do you have a baby you could share? I'm not sure I want to try GT's one more time. I'm in Sacramento, near Loemann's Plaza.
  • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

    Wed, June 6, 2007 - 9:09 PM
    hello, i just recently discovered kombucha. i suffer from a rather severe case of crohn's disease and notice that my symptoms seem to lessen a day or so after drinking kombucha.

    can someone please post a more explanatory process other than a recipe? explaining what happens, and what to do, etc.?

    thank you

    R.
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      Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

      Wed, June 6, 2007 - 9:24 PM
      When you get a chance, take a look around because there's tons of information just in the first two pages of topics in this tribe. Here's a link to a a thread for another newbie.

      kombuchatea.tribe.net/thread/...817730fd
      • Re: Starting a batch from some GT's

        Wed, September 19, 2007 - 10:06 PM
        I took your advice, Treja! I started brewing my own Kombucha tea from a bottle of GT's Kombucha.

        It's been exactly a week so far and I'm pleasantly surprised to see the beginnings of a scoby. So far it's pretty much how you described it to be. White-ish on top and stringy (like jelly fish). I can already see it's getting bubbly in there. I put as heating pad set on medium to keep the brew at a nice temperature because it's starting to cool down in NY...

        How long did you brew your initial batch (without a scoby) for?

        I'll keep you guys posted on attempting to brew kombucha without a momma. ^.^;;

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